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		<title>By: 2007  April  08 - odd time signatures -</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57750</link>
		<author>2007  April  08 - odd time signatures -</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 21:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Insider</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57611</link>
		<author>Insider</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>When I spoke of "bad parenting" I wasn't speaking of Cho. He was a freak and should have been institutionalized-period. I was talking about whoever was pumping drugs into a 2 year old.

As for money, it is the heart of everything in life--including religions and cults. Let's not pretend otherwise.

As for drugs vs. no drugs, we are each entitled to our own opinion. I've dealt with bipolar people my entire life and drug treatments have been what has allowed them to lead mainstream lives. The problems have arisen when they aren't on the drugs. The drugs are just a part of an overall treatment program. You can say what you want but it won't change my personal experience so let's just leave it at that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I spoke of &#8220;bad parenting&#8221; I wasn&#8217;t speaking of Cho. He was a freak and should have been institutionalized-period. I was talking about whoever was pumping drugs into a 2 year old.</p>
<p>As for money, it is the heart of everything in life&#8211;including religions and cults. Let&#8217;s not pretend otherwise.</p>
<p>As for drugs vs. no drugs, we are each entitled to our own opinion. I&#8217;ve dealt with bipolar people my entire life and drug treatments have been what has allowed them to lead mainstream lives. The problems have arisen when they aren&#8217;t on the drugs. The drugs are just a part of an overall treatment program. You can say what you want but it won&#8217;t change my personal experience so let&#8217;s just leave it at that.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57591</link>
		<author>Jason</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 15:02:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obviously, this guy Cho was not a good guy.  You can see it in his eyes in the video.  He was definitely psychotic and BELONGED in an institution or prison.  That said, I don't think he was inherently evil and that there was no way of bringing out his true goodness in some way.  He could have been the product of the same "bad parenting" you speak of (probably was).  So even though he belonged under that type of care for the time being, there ARE ways to help people like that.  Psych drugs have no historical precedence of ever making the insane sane again.  But they do "treat" the insane person and give him a "high", while also giving Big Pharma's coffers a similar "High".

And the over-drugging of kids isn't necessarily just "bad parenting" or "ignorant parenting".  In many states, the schools don't have to have parental permission to put the kids on mind-altering psych drugs.  I know people in the business.  It's a cash cow.  And money IS at the heart of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obviously, this guy Cho was not a good guy.  You can see it in his eyes in the video.  He was definitely psychotic and BELONGED in an institution or prison.  That said, I don&#8217;t think he was inherently evil and that there was no way of bringing out his true goodness in some way.  He could have been the product of the same &#8220;bad parenting&#8221; you speak of (probably was).  So even though he belonged under that type of care for the time being, there ARE ways to help people like that.  Psych drugs have no historical precedence of ever making the insane sane again.  But they do &#8220;treat&#8221; the insane person and give him a &#8220;high&#8221;, while also giving Big Pharma&#8217;s coffers a similar &#8220;High&#8221;.</p>
<p>And the over-drugging of kids isn&#8217;t necessarily just &#8220;bad parenting&#8221; or &#8220;ignorant parenting&#8221;.  In many states, the schools don&#8217;t have to have parental permission to put the kids on mind-altering psych drugs.  I know people in the business.  It&#8217;s a cash cow.  And money IS at the heart of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57581</link>
		<author>Insider</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 14:34:58 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57581</guid>
		<description>"8 of the last 13 shooters were on Psych drugs. Hmmm. "

Maybe that's because 13 of the last 13 shooters were f*cking psychotic. Hmmm.

As for giving a two-year old drugs, no sh*t that is bad parenting. But we see a lot of bad parenting that has nothing to do with drugs. Just type "bad parenting" in our search box and you'll read about the moms who pimp their teenage daughters among other horror stories. Don't blame the drugs  for stupid people.

Too much drugging you bet. Similar to the way that doctors prescribe too many antibiotics--but does that make antibiotics bad? If so please stay away from me the next time you have a bacterial infection.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;8 of the last 13 shooters were on Psych drugs. Hmmm. &#8221;</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s because 13 of the last 13 shooters were f*cking psychotic. Hmmm.</p>
<p>As for giving a two-year old drugs, no sh*t that is bad parenting. But we see a lot of bad parenting that has nothing to do with drugs. Just type &#8220;bad parenting&#8221; in our search box and you&#8217;ll read about the moms who pimp their teenage daughters among other horror stories. Don&#8217;t blame the drugs  for stupid people.</p>
<p>Too much drugging you bet. Similar to the way that doctors prescribe too many antibiotics&#8211;but does that make antibiotics bad? If so please stay away from me the next time you have a bacterial infection.</p>
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		<title>By: jason</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57565</link>
		<author>jason</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Apr 2007 13:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2007/04/19/scientologists-vt/#comment-57565</guid>
		<description>Unfortunately, the facts speak for themselves.  SSRIs and other psych drugs have listed side-effects of suicidal thoughts and death!  Read the article below.  PWNT!





Horrified by the recent senseless acts of violence? Me to!

Let's look at the statistics. 8 of the last 13 shooters were on Psych drugs. Hmmm. 

How about this?

FDA : 25 Die from ADHD DRUGS!!
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/08/health/main1299097.shtml

And how about this :http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/10/eveningnews/main2556370.shtml

A two year old died of an overdose of psych drugs for her Bipolar disorder. BIPOLAR DISORDER?! SHE WAS TWO?! You have to have fucking Bipolar disorder to Diagnose a TWO year old with this CONDITION. If you do the research, most Mental Disorders are BULLSH*T. They are created and decided upon by the team of Psychiatrists who write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. 

It is mostly guessed at BS ultimately designed to make MILLIONS for the drug companies and their stockholders, many of whom are our elected politicians, can you say conflict of interest(?), to sell harmful drugs to good people who think that DOCTORS have their best interest at heart. 

Well, Dorothy, we are not in KANSAS anymore. Wake up and smell the blood on the dormitory carpet. 

There are now BLACK BOXES on many psych drugs warning of their suicidal effects, as mandated by law. 

Did the drug companies have to clean up the damage their product created prior to the addmission and placement of these boxes? 

No.

Will they have to stand for any further slaughters?

No.

Why?

Too many people in power are making too much f*ckin money.

We suffer. They get rich.

Does anyone else see a problem here? 

Are we all.."OK" with this?

If so, I'll just go back under my f*ckin rock and sleep it it off till Armageden hits and wake up with the new band of protazoa and try to find a cute one with a job.

Read the article now if you have the stomach.

LOVE &#38; PEACE
..
Christopher


Another School Shooting; Another Psychiatric Drug?
8 of the last 13 school shooters were under the influence of psychiatric drugs at the time of the shootings

/24-7PressRelease/ - VANCOUVER, BC, CANADA, September 18, 2006 - A bloody massacre yesterday at a Montreal college, now being called "Canada's Columbine" by some, leaves investigators searching for an explanation. After 25-year-old Kimveer Gill wounded 20 (6 critically) and killed one, the shooter was shot by police and subsequently shot himself in the head. Official warnings, such as those issued by Health Canada and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, reveal violence and suicide as a dangerous risk of taking psychiatric drugs. These warnings, and the fact that 8 of the last 13 school shooters were under the influence of psychiatric drugs at the time of the shootings, leads one to wonder whether the Montreal shooter was under the influence of mind-altering psychiatric drugs.

April 29 1999: A 14 year old boy shot two children, killing one, at W.R. Myers High School in Taber Alberta. He was student of the school who was seeing a psychiatrist who prescribed him Dexadrine just prior to the shooting.

March 21, 2005: Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise, reportedly under the influence of the antidepressant Prozac, went on a shooting rampage at home and at his school, killing nine people and wounding five before committing suicide.

May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his own parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been on Prozac.

April 16, 1999: Notus, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school narrowly missing students; he was taking a mix of antidepressants.

April 20, 1999: Columbine, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox when he and his partner Dylan Klebold killed twelve classmates and a teacher before taking his own life in the bloodiest school massacre in history. The coroner confirmed that the antidepressant was in his system through toxicology reports while Dylan Klebold's autopsy was never made public.

May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with a mix of antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded 6 of his classmates.

March 7, 2000: Williamsport, Pennsylvania: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on the antidepressant Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, wounding one.

March 22, 2001: El Cajon, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman was on two antidepressants, Effexor and Celexa, when he opened fire at his California high school wounding five. Hoffman had also undergone an "anger management" program.

April 10, 2001: Wahluke, Washington: 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school, and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage while on a high dose of the antidepressant Effexor.

For a complete report on the relationship between psychiatry's drugs and violence go to the Citizens Commission on Human Rights web site at www.cchr.org

The Citizens Commission on Human Rights was established by the Church of Scientology to investigate and expose psychiatric violations of human rights.

If you know anyone, including a child, who has been abused or harmed by a psychiatrist call The Citizens Commission on Human Rights at 1 800 670 2247. Complete confidentiality assured.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Unfortunately, the facts speak for themselves.  SSRIs and other psych drugs have listed side-effects of suicidal thoughts and death!  Read the article below.  PWNT!</p>
<p>Horrified by the recent senseless acts of violence? Me to!</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at the statistics. 8 of the last 13 shooters were on Psych drugs. Hmmm. </p>
<p>How about this?</p>
<p>FDA : 25 Die from ADHD DRUGS!!<br />
<a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/08/health/main1299097.shtml" rel="nofollow">http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2006/02/08/health/main1299097.shtml</a></p>
<p>And how about this :http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/03/10/eveningnews/main2556370.shtml</p>
<p>A two year old died of an overdose of psych drugs for her Bipolar disorder. BIPOLAR DISORDER?! SHE WAS TWO?! You have to have fucking Bipolar disorder to Diagnose a TWO year old with this CONDITION. If you do the research, most Mental Disorders are BULLSH*T. They are created and decided upon by the team of Psychiatrists who write the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders. </p>
<p>It is mostly guessed at BS ultimately designed to make MILLIONS for the drug companies and their stockholders, many of whom are our elected politicians, can you say conflict of interest(?), to sell harmful drugs to good people who think that DOCTORS have their best interest at heart. </p>
<p>Well, Dorothy, we are not in KANSAS anymore. Wake up and smell the blood on the dormitory carpet. </p>
<p>There are now BLACK BOXES on many psych drugs warning of their suicidal effects, as mandated by law. </p>
<p>Did the drug companies have to clean up the damage their product created prior to the addmission and placement of these boxes? </p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Will they have to stand for any further slaughters?</p>
<p>No.</p>
<p>Why?</p>
<p>Too many people in power are making too much f*ckin money.</p>
<p>We suffer. They get rich.</p>
<p>Does anyone else see a problem here? </p>
<p>Are we all..&#8221;OK&#8221; with this?</p>
<p>If so, I&#8217;ll just go back under my f*ckin rock and sleep it it off till Armageden hits and wake up with the new band of protazoa and try to find a cute one with a job.</p>
<p>Read the article now if you have the stomach.</p>
<p>LOVE &amp; PEACE<br />
..<br />
Christopher</p>
<p>Another School Shooting; Another Psychiatric Drug?<br />
8 of the last 13 school shooters were under the influence of psychiatric drugs at the time of the shootings</p>
<p>/24-7PressRelease/ - VANCOUVER, BC, CANADA, September 18, 2006 - A bloody massacre yesterday at a Montreal college, now being called &#8220;Canada&#8217;s Columbine&#8221; by some, leaves investigators searching for an explanation. After 25-year-old Kimveer Gill wounded 20 (6 critically) and killed one, the shooter was shot by police and subsequently shot himself in the head. Official warnings, such as those issued by Health Canada and the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, reveal violence and suicide as a dangerous risk of taking psychiatric drugs. These warnings, and the fact that 8 of the last 13 school shooters were under the influence of psychiatric drugs at the time of the shootings, leads one to wonder whether the Montreal shooter was under the influence of mind-altering psychiatric drugs.</p>
<p>April 29 1999: A 14 year old boy shot two children, killing one, at W.R. Myers High School in Taber Alberta. He was student of the school who was seeing a psychiatrist who prescribed him Dexadrine just prior to the shooting.</p>
<p>March 21, 2005: Red Lake Indian Reservation, Minnesota: 16-year-old Native American Jeff Weise, reportedly under the influence of the antidepressant Prozac, went on a shooting rampage at home and at his school, killing nine people and wounding five before committing suicide.</p>
<p>May 21, 1998: Springfield, Oregon: 15-year-old Kip Kinkel murdered his own parents and then proceeded to school where he opened fire on students in the cafeteria, killing two and wounding 22. Kinkel had been on Prozac.</p>
<p>April 16, 1999: Notus, Idaho: 15-year-old Shawn Cooper fired two shotgun rounds in his school narrowly missing students; he was taking a mix of antidepressants.</p>
<p>April 20, 1999: Columbine, Colorado: 18-year-old Eric Harris was on the antidepressant Luvox when he and his partner Dylan Klebold killed twelve classmates and a teacher before taking his own life in the bloodiest school massacre in history. The coroner confirmed that the antidepressant was in his system through toxicology reports while Dylan Klebold&#8217;s autopsy was never made public.</p>
<p>May 20, 1999: Conyers, Georgia: 15-year-old T.J. Solomon was being treated with a mix of antidepressants when he opened fire on and wounded 6 of his classmates.</p>
<p>March 7, 2000: Williamsport, Pennsylvania: 14-year-old Elizabeth Bush was on the antidepressant Prozac when she blasted away at fellow students in Williamsport, Pennsylvania, wounding one.</p>
<p>March 22, 2001: El Cajon, California: 18-year-old Jason Hoffman was on two antidepressants, Effexor and Celexa, when he opened fire at his California high school wounding five. Hoffman had also undergone an &#8220;anger management&#8221; program.</p>
<p>April 10, 2001: Wahluke, Washington: 16-year-old Cory Baadsgaard took a rifle to his high school, and held 23 classmates and a teacher hostage while on a high dose of the antidepressant Effexor.</p>
<p>For a complete report on the relationship between psychiatry&#8217;s drugs and violence go to the Citizens Commission on Human Rights web site at <a href="http://www.cchr.org" rel="nofollow">www.cchr.org</a></p>
<p>The Citizens Commission on Human Rights was established by the Church of Scientology to investigate and expose psychiatric violations of human rights.</p>
<p>If you know anyone, including a child, who has been abused or harmed by a psychiatrist call The Citizens Commission on Human Rights at 1 800 670 2247. Complete confidentiality assured.</p>
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		<author>Exploitation Alert: Scientologists Head to VT to Provide Grief Counsuling to Potential Converts - Topix</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Apr 2007 22:16:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...]  psychiatric treatment that Cho needed and might have averted the tragedy. via Independent Sources    Full  [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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