Comments on: You won’t believe this: Another Times Employee Leaving Easily Traceable “Anonymous” Comments http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/ Independent thinking about California Politics, Hot Bikini Clad Teachers (Erica Chevillar), Topless Teachers (Tamara Hoover), Hot French Newscaster Melissa Theuriau, Katie Rees & the LA Times Tue, 02 Dec 2008 13:15:19 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Elmo http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11209 Elmo Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:36:08 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11209 P.S. I'd ad that the Times does indeed still serve at least one purpose. As a shining example of how far a "news" organization can go in betraying the public trust. I had read the Times almost daily for over thirty years (most all of it as a liberal), taking up the habit in junior high. But the rush of Arnie's bum a few days before the Gubernatorial election, was beyond all belief. And will never be forgiven. Credibility once lost, is never regained. P.S. I’d ad that the Times does indeed still serve at least one purpose. As a shining example of how far a “news” organization can go in betraying the public trust. I had read the Times almost daily for over thirty years (most all of it as a liberal), taking up the habit in junior high. But the rush of Arnie’s bum a few days before the Gubernatorial election, was beyond all belief. And will never be forgiven. Credibility once lost, is never regained.

]]> By: Elmo http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11208 Elmo Mon, 24 Apr 2006 00:20:18 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11208 I'm no stranger to other major metro papers. If the NYT's contained zero political items, I'd find it quite pleasant (even excellent). But I'm unable to get past the blue state blood that pulses ever constant through it's veins. And well, I just feel so dirty afterwards. The SJ Merc, another stellar paper. But, like a very long list of has beens, proudly wear their politics on their sleeve. They all just do not get it, haven't even the faintest clue. And, I don't have much faith they ever will. And even e-commerce may relegate the atomic paper to the circular file, not just news/political content. One need only look back say five or six years to see how eBay has decimated the classifieds. Both L.A. dailies' classifieds are now almost exclusively an adfest for area new car dealers. With a smattering of real estate. Nothing more. The heart and soul of many once respectable papers has been stomped with a steel toe boot. Of their own wearing. Good riddance I say. I’m no stranger to other major metro papers. If the NYT’s contained zero political items, I’d find it quite pleasant (even excellent). But I’m unable to get past the blue state blood that pulses ever constant through it’s veins. And well, I just feel so dirty afterwards. The SJ Merc, another stellar paper. But, like a very long list of has beens, proudly wear their politics on their sleeve. They all just do not get it, haven’t even the faintest clue. And, I don’t have much faith they ever will.

And even e-commerce may relegate the atomic paper to the circular file, not just news/political content. One need only look back say five or six years to see how eBay has decimated the classifieds. Both L.A. dailies’ classifieds are now almost exclusively an adfest for area new car dealers. With a smattering of real estate. Nothing more.

The heart and soul of many once respectable papers has been stomped with a steel toe boot. Of their own wearing. Good riddance I say.

]]> By: Insider http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11187 Insider Sun, 23 Apr 2006 15:38:23 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11187 I'd disagree with you that it's good for nothing and yes it is more valuable than just for doggie newspaper. With the exception of some much-needed editorial balance, a few unhinged columnists, and a Business Section that is simply subpar, I don't think the paper is that bad. If it was we wouldn't link to it so much. Just travel to cities like Phoenix and you see the daily paper isn't much more than a coupon shopper with a few AP stories. Of course there are hundreds of things the Times could improve upon but even without these I wouldn't drop it to the level of "absolutely nothing" though perhaps you were exaggerating to make a point (as I was with the "net savvy" quip). The real issue is how newspapers are going to redefine themselves in the Internet age (and I don't mean today but tomorrow's always-on ubiquitous connectivity world). I used to think it was just an issue of business models, but watching the miscue's on Hiltzik's blog shows that even something as simple as letting storied columnists maintain blogs can be challenging for a major media company. But now I've somehow strayed way off target. I’d disagree with you that it’s good for nothing and yes it is more valuable than just for doggie newspaper. With the exception of some much-needed editorial balance, a few unhinged columnists, and a Business Section that is simply subpar, I don’t think the paper is that bad. If it was we wouldn’t link to it so much.

Just travel to cities like Phoenix and you see the daily paper isn’t much more than a coupon shopper with a few AP stories. Of course there are hundreds of things the Times could improve upon but even without these I wouldn’t drop it to the level of “absolutely nothing” though perhaps you were exaggerating to make a point (as I was with the “net savvy” quip).

The real issue is how newspapers are going to redefine themselves in the Internet age (and I don’t mean today but tomorrow’s always-on ubiquitous connectivity world). I used to think it was just an issue of business models, but watching the miscue’s on Hiltzik’s blog shows that even something as simple as letting storied columnists maintain blogs can be challenging for a major media company. But now I’ve somehow strayed way off target.

]]> By: Elmo http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11184 Elmo Sun, 23 Apr 2006 14:05:44 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11184 "until its employees get a little more net savvy"? How dare you criticise G*d almighty himself .... what nerve! Bwaha haha ha L.A. Times! - huh- yeah- What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Uh-huh L.A. Times! – huh – yeah- What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Say it again y’all L.A. Times! – huh – good G*d What is it good for? Absolutely nothing Listen to me… “until its employees get a little more net savvy”? How dare you criticise G*d almighty himself …. what nerve! Bwaha haha ha

L.A. Times! - huh- yeah-
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Uh-huh

L.A. Times! – huh – yeah-
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Say it again y’all

L.A. Times! – huh – good G*d
What is it good for?
Absolutely nothing
Listen to me…

]]> By: Jeff Lebowski http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11163 Jeff Lebowski Sun, 23 Apr 2006 05:12:55 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11163 I know that IP address (144.142.21.5). It does indeed come from the Times. Some engineer named Dilbert. I know that IP address (144.142.21.5). It does indeed come from the Times. Some engineer named Dilbert.

]]> By: Insider http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11160 Insider Sun, 23 Apr 2006 03:24:57 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11160 Agreed. In addition to your reasoning who has the time to track where comments are coming from and who wants to chase off people contributing to a debate (with the caveats previously discussed)? Off topic but based on the comments that come from the Times organization they sure must have spirited lunch time conversations. I wonder if they talk in the halls like the way they talk on our blogs. For example... "Boy, traffic was bad today. All of those FASCIST SUV drivers guzzling up oil. The dupes have no clue!" "Want to go to the Lakers' game tonight? Of course tickets will harder to get than finding an unbiased thought on Patterico or Independent Sources. Those dumb FASCISTS are so stupid that it's SAD!" "Where is the #@$#@#@ FASCIST elevator?" "#@$#@#@ FASCIST budget cuts!" Agreed. In addition to your reasoning who has the time to track where comments are coming from and who wants to chase off people contributing to a debate (with the caveats previously discussed)?

Off topic but based on the comments that come from the Times organization they sure must have spirited lunch time conversations. I wonder if they talk in the halls like the way they talk on our blogs. For example…

“Boy, traffic was bad today. All of those FASCIST SUV drivers guzzling up oil. The dupes have no clue!”

“Want to go to the Lakers’ game tonight? Of course tickets will harder to get than finding an unbiased thought on Patterico or Independent Sources. Those dumb FASCISTS are so stupid that it’s SAD!”

“Where is the #@$#@#@ FASCIST elevator?”

“#@$#@#@ FASCIST budget cuts!”

]]> By: Patterico http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11143 Patterico Sat, 22 Apr 2006 20:54:09 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11143 I think if someone comes on here defending the LAT, calling you a fascist and an idiot, from an LAT computer -- and doesn't say they're from the LAT -- then it's perfectly appropriate to say that the comment came from an LAT computer. But I think it should end there. I disagree with some of my commenters who want Masha/workingjournalist's identity revealed. That's going overboard. It's enough to reveal her to be a Times journalist. I think my readers were entitled to know that, given the loopy-lefty and incredibly insulting things she said to me, in defense of (what she didn't want to say is) her paper. P. I think if someone comes on here defending the LAT, calling you a fascist and an idiot, from an LAT computer — and doesn’t say they’re from the LAT — then it’s perfectly appropriate to say that the comment came from an LAT computer.

But I think it should end there. I disagree with some of my commenters who want Masha/workingjournalist’s identity revealed. That’s going overboard. It’s enough to reveal her to be a Times journalist. I think my readers were entitled to know that, given the loopy-lefty and incredibly insulting things she said to me, in defense of (what she didn’t want to say is) her paper.

P.

]]> By: A Senior Administration Official http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11125 A Senior Administration Official Sat, 22 Apr 2006 12:54:29 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11125 But anonymous commenting is fine. It's the multiple identities that play off each other that's the problem w/ Hiltzik. If LAT employees want to leave comments here, we won't out them -- unless the same person fakes an argument with themself or pretends to be more than one person. But anonymous commenting is fine. It’s the multiple identities that play off each other that’s the problem w/ Hiltzik. If LAT employees want to leave comments here, we won’t out them — unless the same person fakes an argument with themself or pretends to be more than one person.

]]> By: Patterico’s Pontifications » More from Masha http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11111 Patterico’s Pontifications » More from Masha Sat, 22 Apr 2006 06:26:26 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11111 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] blog today: If it were up to you, I’d know nothing but your idio… Trackback by Independent Sources — 4/21/2006 @ 11:02 pm She posted from an LA Time [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> […] blog today: If it were up to you, I’d know nothing but your idio… Trackback by Independent Sources — 4/21/2006 @ 11:02 pm She posted from an LA Time […]

]]> By: Blogdiplomatie http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11387 Blogdiplomatie Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11387 <!--%kramer-pre%-->jeder Mensch eine zweite Chance verdient und ich denke, Hiltzik, der über 20 Jahre für die L.A. Times tätig war, ist erst einmal gestraft genug. Der daraus entstehende Imageschaden für die L.A. Times ist allerdings noch nicht abzuschätzen. DieHexenjagd hat ja jetzt erst richtig begonnen. Was meint ihr? Ist die Supendierung gerechtfertigt?<!--%kramer-post%--> jeder Mensch eine zweite Chance verdient und ich denke, Hiltzik, der über 20 Jahre für die L.A. Times tätig war, ist erst einmal gestraft genug. Der daraus entstehende Imageschaden für die L.A. Times ist allerdings noch nicht abzuschätzen. DieHexenjagd hat ja jetzt erst richtig begonnen. Was meint ihr? Ist die Supendierung gerechtfertigt?

]]> By: KURU Lounge http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11388 KURU Lounge Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/04/21/hiltzik-fake-comments/#comment-11388 <!--%kramer-pre%-->Official have had some really good stuff lately, starting with the Charlie Sheen conspiracy post and it's follow-ups, and running up through the entire Michael Hitzik scandal (also here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, andhere). Full Disclosure I have posted on Independent Sources, but not on these two subjects. I will be working on a conspiracy post with Insider and SAO soon. Not that the amount of traffic I get here will seriously impact their stats.<!--%kramer-post%--> Official have had some really good stuff lately, starting with the Charlie Sheen conspiracy post and it’s follow-ups, and running up through the entire Michael Hitzik scandal (also here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, andhere). Full Disclosure I have posted on Independent Sources, but not on these two subjects. I will be working on a conspiracy post with Insider and SAO soon. Not that the amount of traffic I get here will seriously impact their stats.

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