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	<title>Comments on: The Los Angeles Times&#8217; Michael Hiltzik Abuses Web Stats For Fun and Profit</title>
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		<title>By: LA Observed: Tuesday, 4,18.06</title>
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		<dc:creator>LA Observed: Tuesday, 4,18.06</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 15:28:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] ations to    Jan. 23. &#9830;&#160;LAT watchers on  the right: Blogger Independent Sources checks up on LAT blogger Mike [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] ations to    Jan. 23. &diams;&nbsp;LAT watchers on  the right: Blogger Independent Sources checks up on LAT blogger Mike [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Is Hiltzik Censoring Critical Comments (Again)?  Help Me Find Out!</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-10896</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Is Hiltzik Censoring Critical Comments (Again)?  Help Me Find Out!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Apr 2006 03:54:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] osting this again. 	Independent Sources effectively debunks the factual premise of this post here: 	http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit 	Looks like there has been some che [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] osting this again. 	Independent Sources effectively debunks the factual premise of this post here: 	<a href="http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit" rel="nofollow">http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit</a> 	Looks like there has been some che [...]</p>
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		<title>By: chad</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-10868</link>
		<dc:creator>chad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Apr 2006 14:04:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree nicely done, but unfortunately it will probably be an unproductive effort.  I have found that it doesn&#039;t really matter how much evidence you show people like Mr. Hitzak, they can always justify theiir thought process.  Check out Joel Connelly in the Seattle Times sometimes for our equivalent.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree nicely done, but unfortunately it will probably be an unproductive effort.  I have found that it doesn&#8217;t really matter how much evidence you show people like Mr. Hitzak, they can always justify theiir thought process.  Check out Joel Connelly in the Seattle Times sometimes for our equivalent.</p>
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		<title>By: Patterico</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-10845</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:56:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nicely done.</description>
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		<title>By: Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Hiltzik Mocks Hewitt&#8217;s Site Meter</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-10844</link>
		<dc:creator>Patterico&#8217;s Pontifications &#187; Hiltzik Mocks Hewitt&#8217;s Site Meter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Apr 2006 22:46:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] hat not every reader of the L.A. Times reads him. 	UPDATE: Independent Sources effectively debunks Hiltzik&#8217;s post  [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] hat not every reader of the L.A. Times reads him. 	UPDATE: Independent Sources effectively debunks Hiltzik&#8217;s post  [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Winds of Change.NET</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-11426</link>
		<dc:creator>Winds of Change.NET</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;and validate (or, in this case, invalidate) our claims. Here&#039;s the actual link to Hugh&#039;s Site Meter. Go ahead and click through and let me know if you see a secular decline.  Patterico hammered Hiltzik for misrepresenting the numbers (amplified byIndependent Source&#039;s look at Hugh&#039;s Alexa ratings, which go back further than his Sitemeter numbers do.   I want to pile on, and suggest that while I&#039;ve looked at some of Patrick&#039;s more aggressive claims about Hiltzik&#039;s intellectual honesty as a bit over the top, I was&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->and validate (or, in this case, invalidate) our claims. Here&#8217;s the actual link to Hugh&#8217;s Site Meter. Go ahead and click through and let me know if you see a secular decline.  Patterico hammered Hiltzik for misrepresenting the numbers (amplified byIndependent Source&#8217;s look at Hugh&#8217;s Alexa ratings, which go back further than his Sitemeter numbers do.   I want to pile on, and suggest that while I&#8217;ve looked at some of Patrick&#8217;s more aggressive claims about Hiltzik&#8217;s intellectual honesty as a bit over the top, I was<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: KURU Lounge</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-11494</link>
		<dc:creator>KURU Lounge</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;. Insider and Senior Administration Official have had some really good stuff lately, starting with the Charlie Sheen conspiracy post and it&#039;s follow-ups, and running up through the entire Michael Hitzikscandal (also here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). Full Disclosure I have posted on Independent Sources, but not on these two subjects. I will be working on a conspiracy post with Insider and SAO soon. Not that the amount of traffic&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->. Insider and Senior Administration Official have had some really good stuff lately, starting with the Charlie Sheen conspiracy post and it&#8217;s follow-ups, and running up through the entire Michael Hitzikscandal (also here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, here, and here). Full Disclosure I have posted on Independent Sources, but not on these two subjects. I will be working on a conspiracy post with Insider and SAO soon. Not that the amount of traffic<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: The Discerning Texan</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-26882</link>
		<dc:creator>The Discerning Texan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;and validate (or, in this case, invalidate) our claims. Here&#039;s the actual link to Hugh&#039;s Site Meter. Go ahead and click through and let me know if you see a secular decline. Patterico hammered Hiltzik for misrepresenting the numbers (amplified byIndependent Source&#039;s look at Hugh&#039;s Alexa ratings, which go back further than his Sitemeter numbers do. I want to pile on, and suggest that while I&#039;ve looked at some of Patrick&#039;s more aggressive claims about Hiltzik&#039;s intellectual honesty as a bit over the top, I was&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->and validate (or, in this case, invalidate) our claims. Here&#8217;s the actual link to Hugh&#8217;s Site Meter. Go ahead and click through and let me know if you see a secular decline. Patterico hammered Hiltzik for misrepresenting the numbers (amplified byIndependent Source&#8217;s look at Hugh&#8217;s Alexa ratings, which go back further than his Sitemeter numbers do. I want to pile on, and suggest that while I&#8217;ve looked at some of Patrick&#8217;s more aggressive claims about Hiltzik&#8217;s intellectual honesty as a bit over the top, I was<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: L'Ombre de l'Olivier</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2006/04/16/the-los-angeles-times-michael-hiltzik-abuses-web-stats-for-fun-and-profit/comment-page-1/#comment-26881</link>
		<dc:creator>L'Ombre de l'Olivier</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt; had been trying to point out the error of his ways without much success so I decided to see what a neutral 3rd party could do. My first comment was successful, my second - an attempt to post precisely thesame link that Patterico was trying to post - failed miserably. It seems that Hiltzik is not just a bad scientist but a bad journalist who is unable to tolerate objective criticism. One bigger story doing the rounds in the blogosphere is the Duke Rape case.&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%--> had been trying to point out the error of his ways without much success so I decided to see what a neutral 3rd party could do. My first comment was successful, my second &#8211; an attempt to post precisely thesame link that Patterico was trying to post &#8211; failed miserably. It seems that Hiltzik is not just a bad scientist but a bad journalist who is unable to tolerate objective criticism. One bigger story doing the rounds in the blogosphere is the Duke Rape case.<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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