Comments on: Why do otherwise smart people believe conspiracy theories? http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/ Independent thinking about California Politics, Hot Bikini Clad Teachers (Erica Chevillar), Topless Teachers (Tamara Hoover), Hot French Newscaster Melissa Theuriau, Katie Rees & the LA Times Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:03:09 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: concrete pipe rack comparision steel gas oil project: Web Search Results from Answers.com http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-35328 concrete pipe rack comparision steel gas oil project: Web Search Results from Answers.com Sun, 05 Nov 2006 14:15:00 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-35328 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] f-cc.at/NR/rdonlyres/ 24AAA8EB-955C-4710-9DD2-78EC8AB2BBD5/0/Woerterbuch.pdfIndependent Sources » Blog A [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> […] f-cc.at/NR/rdonlyres/ 24AAA8EB-955C-4710-9DD2-78EC8AB2BBD5/0/Woerterbuch.pdfIndependent Sources » Blog A […]

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]]> By: Popular Science Editors Versus "Top Scientists and Professors" In 9/11 Truth Movement http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-29351 Popular Science Editors Versus "Top Scientists and Professors" In 9/11 Truth Movement Tue, 12 Sep 2006 10:02:50 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-29351 <!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[...] (smlBI) 16 Over at Indpendent Sources earlier this year we had two threads going on this topic.  Between the two we ended up with ove [...]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--> […] (smlBI) 16 Over at Indpendent Sources earlier this year we had two threads
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]]> By: Cass http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10691 Cass Wed, 12 Apr 2006 23:29:59 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10691 I'm SO not touching this one in detail...but a little 'food for thought' if I may...in order for there to be as many huge hoaxes, cover-ups, conspiracies, etc. that are engineered by the U.S. and other world governments, all of the officials involved would have to be (1) smart (2) cooperative (3) able to follow through. what are the odds? P.S. The Denver airport IS creepy. Not sure WHAT'S going on there, but it's strange. If nothing else, the group that approved the interior design should be shot. I’m SO not touching this one in detail…but a little ‘food for thought’ if I may…in order for there to be as many huge hoaxes, cover-ups, conspiracies, etc. that are engineered by the U.S. and other world governments, all of the officials involved would have to be (1) smart (2) cooperative (3) able to follow through. what are the odds?
P.S. The Denver airport IS creepy. Not sure WHAT’S going on there, but it’s strange. If nothing else, the group that approved the interior design should be shot.

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]]> By: O-man http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10334 O-man Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:41:49 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10334 Ok I'll look around too, if I find anything I'll post you a link in here. Ok I’ll look around too, if I find anything I’ll post you a link in here.

]]> By: Michael http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10333 Michael Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:27:40 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10333 O-man - Hannity.com has a good 911 forum, but all you will find our idiots there. They are all making it a political right versus left issue. I really wanted to debate some of them, but i'm not about to subscribe to the web site just to be able to talk to them. I won't support Shaun Hannity. He is either clueless or well paid to keep people in the dark and to criticize people who do come forward. Let me know and we'll find somewhere else that we can debate. Maybe we will be able to talk some sense into some of them. O-man - Hannity.com has a good 911 forum, but all you will find our idiots there. They are all making it a political right versus left issue. I really wanted to debate some of them, but i’m not about to subscribe to the web site just to be able to talk to them. I won’t support Shaun Hannity. He is either clueless or well paid to keep people in the dark and to criticize people who do come forward. Let me know and we’ll find somewhere else that we can debate. Maybe we will be able to talk some sense into some of them.

]]> By: O-man http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10332 O-man Wed, 05 Apr 2006 00:17:41 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10332 So where are we off to next??? Link me. B.O. sucks So where are we off to next??? Link me.

B.O. sucks

]]> By: Michael http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10300 Michael Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:44:14 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10300 lhampton - good article. I read it earlier. Just another highly ranked official saying the same thing that everyone else has said. I can't believe it hasn't all been exposed by now. They can't say that all of them are crazy. At least this guy has named Cheney as the one responsible. lhampton - good article. I read it earlier. Just another highly ranked official saying the same thing that everyone else has said. I can’t believe it hasn’t all been exposed by now. They can’t say that all of them are crazy. At least this guy has named Cheney as the one responsible.

]]> By: lhampton http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10299 lhampton Tue, 04 Apr 2006 03:36:29 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10299 mr reality and friends rite back at you God bless and see you on the other side and for the rest God bless as well............man i just cant resist this one sorry!!!!! Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm mr reality and friends rite back at you God bless and see you on the other side and for the rest God bless as well…………man i just cant resist this one sorry!!!!!

Former Head Of Star Wars Program Says Cheney Main 9/11 Suspect
Official version of events a conspiracy theory, says drills were cover for attacks

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/april2006/040406mainsuspect.htm

]]> By: Mr. Reality http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10294 Mr. Reality Mon, 03 Apr 2006 16:17:38 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10294 lhampton, Michael, O-man, canadian bacon, tiger keep up the good fight. Much love and respect for you all. If you are going to another thread or blog, let me know which one. Chad, once again, just, whatever. Keep your head in the sand, and keep playing the National Anthem as you salute to your life size poster of Bill O'reiley. lhampton, Michael, O-man, canadian bacon, tiger keep up the good fight. Much love and respect for you all. If you are going to another thread or blog, let me know which one. Chad, once again, just, whatever. Keep your head in the sand, and keep playing the National Anthem as you salute to your life size poster of Bill O’reiley.

]]> By: chad http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10284 chad Mon, 03 Apr 2006 12:12:19 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10284 Having read the most recent paranoid rantings. I as a citizen of the United Technocracy of Pan America am invoking Godwin's law and I am now done with this thread. Having read the most recent paranoid rantings. I as a citizen of the United Technocracy of Pan America am invoking Godwin’s law and I am now done with this thread.

]]> By: Mr. Reality http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10275 Mr. Reality Mon, 03 Apr 2006 07:13:32 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10275 Chad, "videos of them going through checkpoints." Did you look at the links I posted! That's what I'm talking about. IT'S NOT THE SAME PERSON!!! What is wrong with you? The two people they claim to be Hani Hanjour, are not the same person! Are you trying to tell me you think that is the same person? I want to know that. Then I'm done here. Chad tell me. Enlighten me with your wisdom. Seriously explain those two photaographs to me. Chad,
“videos of them going through checkpoints.” Did you look at the links I posted! That’s what I’m talking about. IT’S NOT THE SAME PERSON!!! What is wrong with you? The two people they claim to be Hani Hanjour, are not the same person! Are you trying to tell me you think that is the same person? I want to know that. Then I’m done here. Chad tell me. Enlighten me with your wisdom. Seriously explain those two photaographs to me.

]]> By: Insider http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10274 Insider Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:52:43 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10274 Congratulations on working Hitler in for your analogy. It always seems to come up. Congratulations on working Hitler in for your analogy. It always seems to come up.

]]> By: Canadian bacon http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10273 Canadian bacon Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:24:36 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10273 "Secrets involving more than a few people are really tough to keep". Well, during the Holocaust millions were killed while the vast majority of German citizens were oblivious to it. You can't kill millions with "a few people". How about the whereabouts of Osama or Mullah Omar (dead or alive). Even if only a relative few know their exact location, it would be known by many that those few had the info that could lead to a 25 million dollar reward. You may say that those cases only involve a handfull of years, but so does 9-11. As far as the governments scientific evidence we have theoretical fireballs going 90 stories down elevator shafts, a bizarre pancake theory that can not explain the disintegration of 47 steel center columns and passports that manage to escape this supposedly raging inferno to land unharmed on a pile of rubble. We all know that paper burns at farenheit 451. On the other side of the debate we have the building in Madrid that withstood days of raging fires to the point of being gutted, yet the frame still stood. Did the steel show any damage? Obviously not enough to make the building collapse. There still has not been an example shown of a steel framed building collapsing from fire. Signs of steel damage is not collapsing. At this point, I can't really see either side changing it's position. One thing, however, that hopefully has been accomplished is to prove that lumping 9-11 inside job believers in with alien visits and bigfoot is absurd. Alien visits require physical beings travelling faster than the speed of light. Bigfoots would almost certainly leave at least a bone, a clump of hair, or some shred of physical evidence. A 9-11 inside job would require a cabal of fanatics who believe the end justifies the means and a population too shaken and stirred up by nationalism to look at all the evidence as a whole and ask themselves the unpleasant questions, just like the Germans during the Holocaust. “Secrets involving more than a few people are really tough to keep”. Well, during the Holocaust millions were killed while the vast majority of German citizens were oblivious to it. You can’t kill millions with “a few people”. How about the whereabouts of Osama or Mullah Omar (dead or alive). Even if only a relative few know their exact location, it would be known by many that those few had the info that could lead to a 25 million dollar reward. You may say that those cases only involve a handfull of years, but so does 9-11. As far as the governments scientific evidence we have theoretical fireballs going 90 stories down elevator shafts, a bizarre pancake theory that can not explain the disintegration of 47 steel center columns and passports that manage to escape this supposedly raging inferno to land unharmed on a pile of rubble. We all know that paper burns at farenheit 451. On the other side of the debate we have the building in Madrid that withstood days of raging fires to the point of being gutted, yet the frame still stood. Did the steel show any damage? Obviously not enough to make the building collapse. There still has not been an example shown of a steel framed building collapsing from fire. Signs of steel damage is not collapsing. At this point, I can’t really see either side changing it’s position. One thing, however, that hopefully has been accomplished is to prove that lumping 9-11 inside job believers in with alien visits and bigfoot is absurd. Alien visits require physical beings travelling faster than the speed of light. Bigfoots would almost certainly leave at least a bone, a clump of hair, or some shred of physical evidence. A 9-11 inside job would require a cabal of fanatics who believe the end justifies the means and a population too shaken and stirred up by nationalism to look at all the evidence as a whole and ask themselves the unpleasant questions, just like the Germans during the Holocaust.

]]> By: Insider http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10272 Insider Mon, 03 Apr 2006 05:21:52 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10272 Let's agree to disagree. I'm traveling next week anyway so probably won't be able to participate that much anyway until I get back. A couple of things. Sorry about the misunderstanding on the camps. I was making a joke. I don't believe they exist. Sorry. RFID tags are great. If you look how they are going to be used in logistics it is going to lead to much more efficient inventory management resulting in lower costs to consumers. Do you have a problem with Bar Codes? Sorry you don't like GPS but it has also been a huge productivity enhancer in engineering, driving directions and so many others. Anyway you don't have to respond. You've been courteous and I hope that you continue to participate in the blog. I rarely post about conspiracy theories so there shouldn't be too much for us to fight about. Let’s agree to disagree. I’m traveling next week anyway so probably won’t be able to participate that much anyway until I get back.

A couple of things. Sorry about the misunderstanding on the camps. I was making a joke. I don’t believe they exist. Sorry.

RFID tags are great. If you look how they are going to be used in logistics it is going to lead to much more efficient inventory management resulting in lower costs to consumers. Do you have a problem with Bar Codes? Sorry you don’t like GPS but it has also been a huge productivity enhancer in engineering, driving directions and so many others.

Anyway you don’t have to respond. You’ve been courteous and I hope that you continue to participate in the blog. I rarely post about conspiracy theories so there shouldn’t be too much for us to fight about.

]]> By: lhampton http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10271 lhampton Mon, 03 Apr 2006 04:05:43 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10271 "If we are going to waste anymore time on just two people" hey mike yeah i think your are right on that one. i think everybody else went out to buy provisions! God bless bro FUTURE READERS OF THIS THREAD ATTENTION PLEASE!!!!! ALL OF THE AFORMENTIONED ISSUES REGARDING YOU AS A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED TECHNOCRACY OF THE PAN AMERICAN UNION MAY BE UP FOR RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THE INTERNET FOR ONLY A SHORT TIME. GET OFF THE TV GET OFF THE X-BOX GET DOWN AND PRAY ARM YOURSELF ESPECIALLY WITH KNOWLEDGE OR YOU MAY BECOME PREY. “If we are going to waste anymore time on just two people”

hey mike yeah i think your are right on that one. i think everybody else went out to buy provisions! God bless bro

FUTURE READERS OF THIS THREAD ATTENTION PLEASE!!!!!

ALL OF THE AFORMENTIONED ISSUES REGARDING YOU AS A CITIZEN OF THE UNITED TECHNOCRACY OF THE PAN AMERICAN UNION MAY BE UP FOR RESEARCH AND VERIFICATION ON THE INTERNET FOR ONLY A SHORT TIME. GET OFF THE TV GET OFF THE X-BOX GET DOWN AND PRAY ARM YOURSELF ESPECIALLY WITH KNOWLEDGE OR YOU MAY BECOME PREY.

]]> By: Michael http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10270 Michael Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:49:06 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10270 Lhampton - You have provided above and beyond enough proof, but I hate to say it. We may have to give up and move on to others that will listen to the truth. It's fun debating, but this is not a joke. We really don't have time to play around. All of our rights are on their way out. You were 100% right on the last post about the camps, retina scans and RFID tags and cameras. Wired.com and Cnet have already had articles on these issues. This is not just Alex talking. I don't know what it is, but some people just don't like Alex. I cannot tell you why because I think he is a real patriot and an honest person and he just used everyone else's words. If we are going to waste anymore time on just two people then we will probably have to leave Alex out and just talk about the other 100's of documents and articles and leave out the middle man (Alex). Get my drift? About retina scans, they just put in a retina scanning device in my state at a local sheriff's department. That is scary. The RFID is already all over new commercials. The Superbowl had the IBM commercial tracking the lost tractor trailer. I think that we have warned these guys and if they don't get it by now then it's really too late for them. We need people that will understand the importance of this situation and join the 911 truth movement and then maybe we can stop all of this. After 911 is exposed then the other issues will be easier to understand. I don't own a gun, but i'm getting ready to buy one so that when they come to take all my weapons, i'll have something to give to them. Lhampton - You have provided above and beyond enough proof, but I hate to say it. We may have to give up and move on to others that will listen to the truth. It’s fun debating, but this is not a joke. We really don’t have time to play around. All of our rights are on their way out. You were 100% right on the last post about the camps, retina scans and RFID tags and cameras. Wired.com and Cnet have already had articles on these issues. This is not just Alex talking. I don’t know what it is, but some people just don’t like Alex. I cannot tell you why because I think he is a real patriot and an honest person and he just used everyone else’s words.

If we are going to waste anymore time on just two people then we will probably have to leave Alex out and just talk about the other 100’s of documents and articles and leave out the middle man (Alex). Get my drift? About retina scans, they just put in a retina scanning device in my state at a local sheriff’s department. That is scary. The RFID is already all over new commercials. The Superbowl had the IBM commercial tracking the lost tractor trailer. I think that we have warned these guys and if they don’t get it by now then it’s really too late for them. We need people that will understand the importance of this situation and join the 911 truth movement and then maybe we can stop all of this. After 911 is exposed then the other issues will be easier to understand. I don’t own a gun, but i’m getting ready to buy one so that when they come to take all my weapons, i’ll have something to give to them.

]]> By: Tiger http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10269 Tiger Mon, 03 Apr 2006 03:30:08 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2006/03/28/sheen-9-11-conspiracy-theories/#comment-10269 "Not really. I would assume this is standard police procedure. A lot of these tapes aren’t archived and are taped over. If you don’t grab them fairly quickly they may never be gotten." I have to admit that is a very good answer. However, it doesn't explain why the footage has NEVER been released. The government could easily debunk the skeptics by releasing the video. How did a commercial airliner crash into the most heavily defended building in the world that is under constant radar surveilance and is protected by missile batteries? “Not really. I would assume this is standard police procedure. A lot of these tapes aren’t archived and are taped over. If you don’t grab them fairly quickly they may never be gotten.”

I have to admit that is a very good answer.
However, it doesn’t explain why the footage has NEVER been released.
The government could easily debunk the skeptics by releasing the video.

How did a commercial airliner crash into the most heavily defended building in the world that is under constant radar surveilance and is protected by missile batteries?

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