Comments on: Paris burning: L’elephante in the room http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/ Independent thinking about California Politics, Hot Bikini Clad Teachers (Erica Chevillar), Topless Teachers (Tamara Hoover), Hot French Newscaster Melissa Theuriau, Katie Rees & the LA Times Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:12:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2 By: Cal Hagabosian http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4847 Cal Hagabosian Tue, 08 Nov 2005 07:36:23 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4847 This whole blog skews too much towards France, between this post and that cheerleader in the last post with a nose like Gérard Depardieu. This whole blog skews too much towards France, between this post and that cheerleader in the last post with a nose like Gérard Depardieu.

]]> By: Insider http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4818 Insider Mon, 07 Nov 2005 21:37:18 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4818 The author of the above referenced piece (direland) has their opinion and we have ours. Theirs is that this is a rebellion against a racist French state that has underfunded social programs for hard working immigrants who've never been invited to join the country they've helpped build. The ghettos, according to that author, were borne out of and industrial state that imported immigrants from France's colonies to exploit them and benefited from their illiteracy. I'm paraphrasing but this is certainly their sentiment. It's rare for me to defend the French government but give me a break. Our 3 paragraph posting may be far too simplistic of a summation of the causes of the rioting and vandalism (not rebellion) but Direland's apologism absolves the affected parties of any responsibility for their own situation. And now the rioters are acting out against problems that were not their making and are out of their control. The only things missing from their post was the use of the term "proletariet" and "Karl Marx was right." The author of the above referenced piece (direland) has their opinion and we have ours. Theirs is that this is a rebellion against a racist French state that has underfunded social programs for hard working immigrants who’ve never been invited to join the country they’ve helpped build. The ghettos, according to that author, were borne out of and industrial state that imported immigrants from France’s colonies to exploit them and benefited from their illiteracy. I’m paraphrasing but this is certainly their sentiment. It’s rare for me to defend the French government but give me a break. Our 3 paragraph posting may be far too simplistic of a summation of the causes of the rioting and vandalism (not rebellion) but Direland’s apologism absolves the affected parties of any responsibility for their own situation. And now the rioters are acting out against problems that were not their making and are out of their control. The only things missing from their post was the use of the term “proletariet” and “Karl Marx was right.”

]]> By: Ted http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4816 Ted Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:40:14 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4816 Islam has very little to do with this. Furthermore, your point about Eastern European immigrants does not stand, as the extreme racism in France is almost entirely directed at Africans/Arabs/Berbers. Those who "look French" can find work, go to nice places, live in Paris. Those who don't, have a much much harder time of it. Here is some reporting by someone who actually has a clue what they're talking about: http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/11/why_is_france_b.html Islam has very little to do with this.

Furthermore, your point about Eastern European immigrants does not stand, as the extreme racism in France is almost entirely directed at Africans/Arabs/Berbers.

Those who “look French” can find work, go to nice places, live in Paris. Those who don’t, have a much much harder time of it.

Here is some reporting by someone who actually has a clue what they’re talking about:

http://direland.typepad.com/direland/2005/11/why_is_france_b.html

]]> By: Insider http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4795 Insider Mon, 07 Nov 2005 04:41:40 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4795 That's why we focus...California, France and Lindsay Lohan. Otherwise there is simply too much to track. That’s why we focus…California, France and Lindsay Lohan. Otherwise there is simply too much to track.

]]> By: Flopping Aces http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4793 Flopping Aces Mon, 07 Nov 2005 04:22:10 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4793 <strong>Until Two Policemen Are Dead</strong> I just love the Religion of Peace: PARIS, Monday, Nov. 7 - Rioters fired shotguns at the police in a working-class suburb of Paris on Sunday, wounding 10 officers as the country’s fast-spreading urban unrest escalated dangerously. Just hours ea... Until Two Policemen Are Dead

I just love the Religion of Peace:
PARIS, Monday, Nov. 7 - Rioters fired shotguns at the police in a working-class suburb of Paris on Sunday, wounding 10 officers as the country’s fast-spreading urban unrest escalated dangerously. Just hours ea…

]]> By: Rodger Jacobs http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4785 Rodger Jacobs Mon, 07 Nov 2005 03:59:13 +0000 http://independentsources.com/2005/11/06/paris-burning-lelephante-in-the-room/#comment-4785 Is it just me, guys, or in the last couple of weeks have current events become almost overwhelming to keep up with? Is it just me, guys, or in the last couple of weeks have current events become almost overwhelming to keep up with?

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