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	<title>Comments on: Holly Ashcraft: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer</title>
	<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/</link>
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		<title>By: Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Holly Ashcraft: 42 second drive would have saved her newborn son</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-65679</link>
		<author>Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Holly Ashcraft: 42 second drive would have saved her newborn son</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:17:57 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-65679</guid>
		<description>[...] r than with her. 	************************************************ 	Must Read Story Update: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer 	************************************************  [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Holly Ashcraft baby killing presents all with opportunity to promote their own agendas</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-65677</link>
		<author>Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Holly Ashcraft baby killing presents all with opportunity to promote their own agendas</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 02:16:30 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-65677</guid>
		<description>[...] hat spending the next X years in prison will give her an opportunity to do. 	Background on Holly Ashcraft and other baby killers. (Area 417 also covering the Ascraft case with m [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] hat spending the next X years in prison will give her an opportunity to do. 	Background on Holly Ashcraft and other baby killers. (Area 417 also covering the Ascraft case with m [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Holly Ashcraft&#8217;s Shame: Suspected in Double Infantcide</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-65652</link>
		<author>Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Holly Ashcraft&#8217;s Shame: Suspected in Double Infantcide</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 01:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-65652</guid>
		<description>[...]  for our posting Holly Ashcraft: 42 second drive would have saved her newborn son. 	Update: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer 	UPDATE: June 2007 and more legal wrangling and mo [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;]  for our posting Holly Ashcraft: 42 second drive would have saved her newborn son. 	Update: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer 	UPDATE: June 2007 and more legal wrangling and mo [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Bad Parenting: You put your kid in a trash bin; Holly Ashcraft Returns</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-31393</link>
		<author>Independent Sources  &#187; Blog Archive   &#187; Bad Parenting: You put your kid in a trash bin; Holly Ashcraft Returns</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Sep 2006 06:50:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-31393</guid>
		<description>[...] d in Double Infanticide 	Holly Ashcraft: 42 second drive would have saved her newborn son 	Holly Ashcraft: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer 	Holly Ashcraft baby killing presen [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[&#8230;] d in Double Infanticide 	Holly Ashcraft: 42 second drive would have saved her newborn son 	Holly Ashcraft: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer 	Holly Ashcraft baby killing presen [&#8230;]</p>
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		<title>By: renee</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-5040</link>
		<author>renee</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 08:38:16 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-5040</guid>
		<description>i would consider holly one of my better friends in highschool and after just having had my own baby boy a year ago, i am totally shocked and sickened by the thought of her killing her brand new baby boy. but alot of what's being said about holly is only about half true and i haven't talked to her in a while but holly was a popular well rounded girl. she was good at sports and was extremely intelligent, if i remember correctly, she started taking highschool classes in 6th or 7th grade and continued to excell gradewise until she graduated. One thing that people are saying that isn't quite true is that holly wasn't a partyer but that was what was kind of different about holly, she was able to party some and still keep her grades up. not that i want to make her out to look like a party animal but what i want everyone to see is that holly was pretty much the perfect perfect highschool student, at least in my eyes. and as far as you guys saying that she hadn't talked to her dad in 6 years?! thats bullshit because i remember talking to her about her dad and him drinking and how she hated it. that still isn't a very healthy situation but i would be willing to bet that the reason they havn't really talked in the passed few years is that she went away to college and they weren't all that close to begin with. so don't start comparing her to psycho killers and talking about how she should fry because to tell you the truth, and this is coming from someone who actually knows holly (unlike yourselves), you sound like an ignorant little person who is trying to get attention by pretending they have a clue. and NOW dont get me wrong, i think that from what we know about this whole baby killing case, it sounds really bad, so im definately not justifying what holly did, but i'm almost 100% sure that she had to have been doing drugs like tweek or something. she didn't really do that when i hung out with her but i have a friend who said that he had hooked her up a few times and i know first hand what those kind of drugs can do to you.     I guess ultimately the point i want to make is that you guys don't need to talk shit about her to make her pay for this. that wont do anything but make you look stupid in the end.   when holly comes completely down from this whole trip and she is able to think clearly like the real holly (And im sure shes already started to realize what she's done), she will be punished enough by the thought and the consequences of her dumping her baby, if she's guilty.  and if she's not guilty then why on earth would you dump your baby in a garbage can, even if it was stillborn, wouldn't you atleast take it to the hospital w/ you?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i would consider holly one of my better friends in highschool and after just having had my own baby boy a year ago, i am totally shocked and sickened by the thought of her killing her brand new baby boy. but alot of what&#8217;s being said about holly is only about half true and i haven&#8217;t talked to her in a while but holly was a popular well rounded girl. she was good at sports and was extremely intelligent, if i remember correctly, she started taking highschool classes in 6th or 7th grade and continued to excell gradewise until she graduated. One thing that people are saying that isn&#8217;t quite true is that holly wasn&#8217;t a partyer but that was what was kind of different about holly, she was able to party some and still keep her grades up. not that i want to make her out to look like a party animal but what i want everyone to see is that holly was pretty much the perfect perfect highschool student, at least in my eyes. and as far as you guys saying that she hadn&#8217;t talked to her dad in 6 years?! thats bullshit because i remember talking to her about her dad and him drinking and how she hated it. that still isn&#8217;t a very healthy situation but i would be willing to bet that the reason they havn&#8217;t really talked in the passed few years is that she went away to college and they weren&#8217;t all that close to begin with. so don&#8217;t start comparing her to psycho killers and talking about how she should fry because to tell you the truth, and this is coming from someone who actually knows holly (unlike yourselves), you sound like an ignorant little person who is trying to get attention by pretending they have a clue. and NOW dont get me wrong, i think that from what we know about this whole baby killing case, it sounds really bad, so im definately not justifying what holly did, but i&#8217;m almost 100% sure that she had to have been doing drugs like tweek or something. she didn&#8217;t really do that when i hung out with her but i have a friend who said that he had hooked her up a few times and i know first hand what those kind of drugs can do to you.     I guess ultimately the point i want to make is that you guys don&#8217;t need to talk shit about her to make her pay for this. that wont do anything but make you look stupid in the end.   when holly comes completely down from this whole trip and she is able to think clearly like the real holly (And im sure shes already started to realize what she&#8217;s done), she will be punished enough by the thought and the consequences of her dumping her baby, if she&#8217;s guilty.  and if she&#8217;s not guilty then why on earth would you dump your baby in a garbage can, even if it was stillborn, wouldn&#8217;t you atleast take it to the hospital w/ you?</p>
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		<title>By: Peat Bog &#187; Woman Kills Baby Too Late To Count As Abortion</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4869</link>
		<author>Peat Bog &#187; Woman Kills Baby Too Late To Count As Abortion</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Nov 2005 21:26:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4869</guid>
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		<title>By: A Senior Administration Official</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4438</link>
		<author>A Senior Administration Official</author>
		<pubDate>Thu, 27 Oct 2005 18:41:08 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4438</guid>
		<description>Here is a great book by a legitimate author who argues that the physical evidence was suspicious (appearing after several earlier searches), the cops were under immense pressure to solve the case, and Hauptmann was an unlikely kidnapper:


&lt;a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=independent0b-20%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0140258124%2526tag=independent0b-20%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0140258124%25253FSubscriptionId=02ZH6J1W0649DTNS6002" rel="nofollow"&gt;"Crime of the Century: The Lindbergh Kidnapping and the Framing of Richard Hauptmann" (Ludovic Henry Kennedy)&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a great book by a legitimate author who argues that the physical evidence was suspicious (appearing after several earlier searches), the cops were under immense pressure to solve the case, and Hauptmann was an unlikely kidnapper:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/redirect?tag=independent0b-20%26link_code=xm2%26camp=2025%26creative=165953%26path=http://www.amazon.com/gp/redirect.html%253fASIN=0140258124%2526tag=independent0b-20%2526lcode=xm2%2526cID=2025%2526ccmID=165953%2526location=/o/ASIN/0140258124%25253FSubscriptionId=02ZH6J1W0649DTNS6002" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Crime of the Century: The Lindbergh Kidnapping and the Framing of Richard Hauptmann&#8221; (Ludovic Henry Kennedy)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Insider</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4399</link>
		<author>Insider</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:46:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4399</guid>
		<description>Then again, he was a life long criminal in Germany before coming to the US where he also committed crimes. After the kidnapping, during a search of Hauptmann’s house and garage, nearly $15,000 of the Lindbergh ransom money and a plank containing the address and phone number of Dr. John Condon (who delivered the ransom money) was found. He said the money belonged to a deceased friend.

Unless this information was fabricated, he looks pretty guilty. Also, after 80 years you'd think something would have shown up to support the 'he was framed' theory.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Then again, he was a life long criminal in Germany before coming to the US where he also committed crimes. After the kidnapping, during a search of Hauptmann’s house and garage, nearly $15,000 of the Lindbergh ransom money and a plank containing the address and phone number of Dr. John Condon (who delivered the ransom money) was found. He said the money belonged to a deceased friend.</p>
<p>Unless this information was fabricated, he looks pretty guilty. Also, after 80 years you&#8217;d think something would have shown up to support the &#8216;he was framed&#8217; theory.</p>
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		<title>By: A Senior Administration Official</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4395</link>
		<author>A Senior Administration Official</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Oct 2005 17:11:50 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4395</guid>
		<description>There's actually a lot of support for the theory that Hauptmann was framed for the Lindbergh kidnapping ... cops were under a lot of pressure and the result was possibly planted evidence, witness tampering, unlikely coincidences, etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s actually a lot of support for the theory that Hauptmann was framed for the Lindbergh kidnapping &#8230; cops were under a lot of pressure and the result was possibly planted evidence, witness tampering, unlikely coincidences, etc.</p>
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		<title>By: euphoricreality.net</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4605</link>
		<author>euphoricreality.net</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/10/25/holly-ashcraft-2/#comment-4605</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;This whole situation makes me want to vomit. This woman deserves the death penalty: swift, merciless, and final. End of story.   Doug TenNapel has a nice fisking of the article.   Independent Sources linked with Holly Ashcraft: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer &lt;!--%kramer-post--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->This whole situation makes me want to vomit. This woman deserves the death penalty: swift, merciless, and final. End of story.   Doug TenNapel has a nice fisking of the article.   Independent Sources linked with Holly Ashcraft: LAT Delves Deeper into Baby Killer <!--%kramer-post--></p>
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