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	<title>Comments on: Dangerous Cycling: PCH Malibu  (seeing is believing)</title>
	<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/</link>
	<description>Independent thinking about  California Politics, Hot Bikini Clad Teachers (Erica Chevillar), Topless Teachers (Tamara Hoover), Hot French Newscaster Melissa Theuriau, Katie Rees  &#038; the LA Times</description>
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		<title>By: The Pacific Coast Highway Death Trap</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-10492</link>
		<author>The Pacific Coast Highway Death Trap</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Apr 2006 20:46:29 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-10492</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] s to the debate going on in Malibu about how much they can/should do to make cycling safer.Training on PCH (Malibu)pacifico555 Reply &#124; Return to Index &#124; Report Pos [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Chris McGregor</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-7326</link>
		<author>Chris McGregor</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jan 2006 19:01:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-7326</guid>
		<description>Thanks for the write-up, Great work</description>
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		<title>By: Velo Club La Grange: Public Policy</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-5574</link>
		<author>Velo Club La Grange: Public Policy</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Nov 2005 20:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-5574</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...]                                                                                            Dangerous                            Cycling: PCH Malibu                         [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[&#8230;]                                                                                            Dangerous                            Cycling: PCH Malibu                         [&#8230;]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Main Page - Memories of Stas Ionov</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-5058</link>
		<author>Main Page - Memories of Stas Ionov</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 12 Nov 2005 16:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-5058</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...] ars, and senseless deaths on PCH"&#160;(http://independentsources.com/2005/09/16/malibu/)  Ind [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-ref-pre%-->[&#8230;] ars, and senseless deaths on PCH&#8221;&nbsp;(http://independentsources.com/2005/09/16/malibu/)  Ind [&#8230;]<!--%kramer-ref-post%--></p>
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		<title>By: Velo Club La Grange: In Memory of Scott Bleifer</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-4676</link>
		<author>Velo Club La Grange: In Memory of Scott Bleifer</author>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Nov 2005 03:13:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-4676</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-ref-pre%--&gt;[...]                                                                                            Dangerous                              Cycling: PCH Malibu                       [...]&lt;!--%kramer-ref-post%--&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: Pavel Ionov</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3557</link>
		<author>Pavel Ionov</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 03:32:06 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3557</guid>
		<description>Insider, thank you very much for these kind words.  Naturally Stas himself thought that he has not accomplishing nearly enough, while he was accomplishing more than enough for most of us.  His interests were just as wide as his accomplishments and he managed to get remarkably good at everything he did.  It was biking and running lately, before they included sailing, tennis, skiing, mountain climbing, and whitewater kayaking to just name a few.  It saddens me to think how many more things he could have done.  Thank you again for the excellent and to the point reports and your kind words.  There isn’t much that can be done for Stas anymore, but there is certainly a lot more that can be done for the safety of others who share Stas’ passion for biking and I am glad that you and others here are trying to bring it about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Insider, thank you very much for these kind words.  Naturally Stas himself thought that he has not accomplishing nearly enough, while he was accomplishing more than enough for most of us.  His interests were just as wide as his accomplishments and he managed to get remarkably good at everything he did.  It was biking and running lately, before they included sailing, tennis, skiing, mountain climbing, and whitewater kayaking to just name a few.  It saddens me to think how many more things he could have done.  Thank you again for the excellent and to the point reports and your kind words.  There isn’t much that can be done for Stas anymore, but there is certainly a lot more that can be done for the safety of others who share Stas’ passion for biking and I am glad that you and others here are trying to bring it about.</p>
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		<title>By: Insider</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3546</link>
		<author>Insider</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Oct 2005 00:53:32 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3546</guid>
		<description>Pavel, we are as saddened by the loss of Stas as we are Scott. In researching Stas for one of the earlier articles I was blown away by his accomplishments (and these are just the ones that I found Googling his name). Once again, incredibly sorry about the whole thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pavel, we are as saddened by the loss of Stas as we are Scott. In researching Stas for one of the earlier articles I was blown away by his accomplishments (and these are just the ones that I found Googling his name). Once again, incredibly sorry about the whole thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Pavel Ionov</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3542</link>
		<author>Pavel Ionov</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 21:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3542</guid>
		<description>Thank you very much Insider for an excellent article and all those who have made such thoughtful contributions here. I am brother of Stas Ionov and would like to say that the family appreciates your efforts more than we can express. It is so heart-warming that so many people care so much. It is a great comfort to us and we know that it meant a lot to Stas to be a part of this wonderful community. Thank you also to all of those who contacted the newspapers about this tragedy and for all other efforts that have done so much to bring attention to the dangerous conditions for cyclists on PCH.

For those who knew Stas, we have created a memorial website, for you to share your memories, thoughts and announcements. Thank you again.

Link to Stas’ website: http://www.stasionov.org/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much Insider for an excellent article and all those who have made such thoughtful contributions here. I am brother of Stas Ionov and would like to say that the family appreciates your efforts more than we can express. It is so heart-warming that so many people care so much. It is a great comfort to us and we know that it meant a lot to Stas to be a part of this wonderful community. Thank you also to all of those who contacted the newspapers about this tragedy and for all other efforts that have done so much to bring attention to the dangerous conditions for cyclists on PCH.</p>
<p>For those who knew Stas, we have created a memorial website, for you to share your memories, thoughts and announcements. Thank you again.</p>
<p>Link to Stas’ website: <a href="http://www.stasionov.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.stasionov.org/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Chris</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3538</link>
		<author>Chris</author>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Oct 2005 15:04:12 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3538</guid>
		<description>I was biking with my girlfriend up that way not too long ago--Malibu, that is.  First, I was really amazed by the road conditions.  But I was more amazed by the speed of the traffic.  The street is always packed with cars and people in that area use that chunk of road like a freeway.  I can't imagine that a panel truck could hit the brakes going 70 mph and blend left to avoid a cyclist on the right.  Given the amount of bike and car traffic, it is really just a matter of time until someone is killed again.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was biking with my girlfriend up that way not too long ago&#8211;Malibu, that is.  First, I was really amazed by the road conditions.  But I was more amazed by the speed of the traffic.  The street is always packed with cars and people in that area use that chunk of road like a freeway.  I can&#8217;t imagine that a panel truck could hit the brakes going 70 mph and blend left to avoid a cyclist on the right.  Given the amount of bike and car traffic, it is really just a matter of time until someone is killed again.</p>
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		<title>By: Yoolie Chong</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3418</link>
		<author>Yoolie Chong</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Sep 2005 22:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3418</guid>
		<description>It is important to spread the message that anyone who drives a vehicle is accountable for the safety of cyclists around them. Drivers must share the road, and they take the ultimate responsibility in preventing accidents with cyclists. Why? Because cyclists are completely defenseless against an oncoming vehicle.  Drivers are potential bullies, their cars are weapons, and cyclists are vulnerable targets.

By the way, I am not a cyclist, but I spend at least four hours a day driving and avoiding accidents as a sales representative for Johnson and Johnson. I have shared the story of Scott Bleifer's death with my Western Area sales team and included several sobering reminders about driving safety:

1- Always pay attention while driving. Don't get distracted by passengers, talking on the cell phone, or fumbling with the CD player. A small distraction can have tragic results.

2- Always watch for cyclists and pedestrians. They are defenseless against a moving vehicle. 

3- Always slow down (even less than the speed limit) in construction zones and narrow roads. Watch for cyclists, stranded vehicles, and pedestrians.

Please share this message with anyone you know that drives a vehicle. We must take responsibility for the safety of others when we get behind the wheel. 

Scott, the Trojans kicked Oregon's @ss. You should have been there...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is important to spread the message that anyone who drives a vehicle is accountable for the safety of cyclists around them. Drivers must share the road, and they take the ultimate responsibility in preventing accidents with cyclists. Why? Because cyclists are completely defenseless against an oncoming vehicle.  Drivers are potential bullies, their cars are weapons, and cyclists are vulnerable targets.</p>
<p>By the way, I am not a cyclist, but I spend at least four hours a day driving and avoiding accidents as a sales representative for Johnson and Johnson. I have shared the story of Scott Bleifer&#8217;s death with my Western Area sales team and included several sobering reminders about driving safety:</p>
<p>1- Always pay attention while driving. Don&#8217;t get distracted by passengers, talking on the cell phone, or fumbling with the CD player. A small distraction can have tragic results.</p>
<p>2- Always watch for cyclists and pedestrians. They are defenseless against a moving vehicle. </p>
<p>3- Always slow down (even less than the speed limit) in construction zones and narrow roads. Watch for cyclists, stranded vehicles, and pedestrians.</p>
<p>Please share this message with anyone you know that drives a vehicle. We must take responsibility for the safety of others when we get behind the wheel. </p>
<p>Scott, the Trojans kicked Oregon&#8217;s @ss. You should have been there&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Howard Hackett</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3396</link>
		<author>Howard Hackett</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 23:27:53 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3396</guid>
		<description>I have been staying on the beach bike path to the north end. 2 years ago a group of about 10 dark suited men with clip boards reviewed the southbound section next to the Bel Aire club. I suspect this project is still in someones desk drawer. Iwould like to ride further north, but hesitate because of what you have shown.

Thanks for starting this project</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been staying on the beach bike path to the north end. 2 years ago a group of about 10 dark suited men with clip boards reviewed the southbound section next to the Bel Aire club. I suspect this project is still in someones desk drawer. Iwould like to ride further north, but hesitate because of what you have shown.</p>
<p>Thanks for starting this project</p>
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		<title>By: Insider</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3379</link>
		<author>Insider</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 15:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3379</guid>
		<description>I attended a Malibu City Council meeting last night where the topic of the accident arose as well as overall PCH safety. The actual meeting was very procedural though there were some very articulate speakers on behalf of cyclists. One cyclist spoke about his weekly commute on the Highway and the many close calls he'd had on the Highway. This was scary enough but his young wife and infant were in the audience making his words so much more impactful.

As I said, the specific topics were quite proceudural (how they would look into the matter, which committee, who on the committee, etc.) but it was the conversations in the hallway and parking lot afterward that were the most telling. There is definitely an opinion held by some Malibu officials and residents that the Highway is simply too dangerous to do anything about and that any improvements to its ridability will only encourage more riders to it and therefore more accidents. I don't have to tell the readers of this blog how unfortunate this opinion is. No matter what actions are taken by the Malibu City Council, people will still ride on PCH--whether for work or pleasure. To not do everything possible to improve its safety in those areas that can be made safer (and within reasonable costs) is stunningly wrong. But this (do nothing that could encourage cyclists) opinion is something that we will need to deal with and not by lashing out at them or sending angry emails/calls. I would like to note that it would be easy to dismiss these people as callous individuals, but this is not the case. At least one of them had suffered a loss of a family member on PCH--extremely sad story in itself. It is not that they don't care but instead that they believe the "making it safer" won't work and will cause more problems, not less. In my opinion to combat this approach will require an inclusive process.

I will let Susan or Aaron of La Grange and The LA Bike Coalition respectively take the lead in telling us what we should do to work within the system and it will likely involved Caltrans (which was a message repeated over and over) but last night was an eye opener to say the least. I'll ask them both to keep me informed of next steps so I can post them here. This Saturday is Scott's memorial ride, I hope some of the people who were voicing the do-nothing (or "nothing can be done") opinions have a chance to see it. I'll be there.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I attended a Malibu City Council meeting last night where the topic of the accident arose as well as overall PCH safety. The actual meeting was very procedural though there were some very articulate speakers on behalf of cyclists. One cyclist spoke about his weekly commute on the Highway and the many close calls he&#8217;d had on the Highway. This was scary enough but his young wife and infant were in the audience making his words so much more impactful.</p>
<p>As I said, the specific topics were quite proceudural (how they would look into the matter, which committee, who on the committee, etc.) but it was the conversations in the hallway and parking lot afterward that were the most telling. There is definitely an opinion held by some Malibu officials and residents that the Highway is simply too dangerous to do anything about and that any improvements to its ridability will only encourage more riders to it and therefore more accidents. I don&#8217;t have to tell the readers of this blog how unfortunate this opinion is. No matter what actions are taken by the Malibu City Council, people will still ride on PCH&#8211;whether for work or pleasure. To not do everything possible to improve its safety in those areas that can be made safer (and within reasonable costs) is stunningly wrong. But this (do nothing that could encourage cyclists) opinion is something that we will need to deal with and not by lashing out at them or sending angry emails/calls. I would like to note that it would be easy to dismiss these people as callous individuals, but this is not the case. At least one of them had suffered a loss of a family member on PCH&#8211;extremely sad story in itself. It is not that they don&#8217;t care but instead that they believe the &#8220;making it safer&#8221; won&#8217;t work and will cause more problems, not less. In my opinion to combat this approach will require an inclusive process.</p>
<p>I will let Susan or Aaron of La Grange and The LA Bike Coalition respectively take the lead in telling us what we should do to work within the system and it will likely involved Caltrans (which was a message repeated over and over) but last night was an eye opener to say the least. I&#8217;ll ask them both to keep me informed of next steps so I can post them here. This Saturday is Scott&#8217;s memorial ride, I hope some of the people who were voicing the do-nothing (or &#8220;nothing can be done&#8221;) opinions have a chance to see it. I&#8217;ll be there.</p>
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		<title>By: Karen Bleifer</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3374</link>
		<author>Karen Bleifer</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 08:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3374</guid>
		<description>Wendy,
I second that, glad that you are ok and that must have been very scary for you and the photographer.  Pat sent me this this am.

Great documentation and thanks for taking two hours out of your day to point all this out to us. 

Alek, 
I know my brother traveled this road MANY times before his tragic end.  I also would like to add that Scott was VERY safety conscious and compulsive about his biking practices, including NEVER riding without a rear view mirror and being very aware of what comes up from behind.  I feel that the excessive speed of the truck combined with the curve of the road at that point made it IMPOSSIBLE for them to see the truck coming, stop, and get out of the way in time.  He was in no hurry to get anywhere he was getting in some extra miles before the ride he was supposed to be on right now!

If motorists would just slow down and pay attention, instead of worrying about cooking tacos on their way to the next construction site, two wonderful men would still be alive.  
Please let's all try and get something done here and make PCH as well as all roads safe for cyclists!

-Karen Bleifer</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy,<br />
I second that, glad that you are ok and that must have been very scary for you and the photographer.  Pat sent me this this am.</p>
<p>Great documentation and thanks for taking two hours out of your day to point all this out to us. </p>
<p>Alek,<br />
I know my brother traveled this road MANY times before his tragic end.  I also would like to add that Scott was VERY safety conscious and compulsive about his biking practices, including NEVER riding without a rear view mirror and being very aware of what comes up from behind.  I feel that the excessive speed of the truck combined with the curve of the road at that point made it IMPOSSIBLE for them to see the truck coming, stop, and get out of the way in time.  He was in no hurry to get anywhere he was getting in some extra miles before the ride he was supposed to be on right now!</p>
<p>If motorists would just slow down and pay attention, instead of worrying about cooking tacos on their way to the next construction site, two wonderful men would still be alive.<br />
Please let&#8217;s all try and get something done here and make PCH as well as all roads safe for cyclists!</p>
<p>-Karen Bleifer</p>
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		<title>By: Max</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3363</link>
		<author>Max</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 05:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3363</guid>
		<description>I have ridden bikes on more roads in LA than anyone i know, from manhattan beach to ventura, long beach, downtown, hollywood, compton, midcity, venice, koreatown, skid row, inglewood, palmdale, angeles crest, east LA, and i don't think there is a sketchier road than this stretch of pch, short of riding on a freeway sans shoulder. There are a few things scarier, like crenshaw in inglewood, or la cienega over the baldwin hills, riding on the 101 further norther is less pleasant, but these pictures illustrate the real and quite unnecessary dangers on this road.

-Max Lucas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have ridden bikes on more roads in LA than anyone i know, from manhattan beach to ventura, long beach, downtown, hollywood, compton, midcity, venice, koreatown, skid row, inglewood, palmdale, angeles crest, east LA, and i don&#8217;t think there is a sketchier road than this stretch of pch, short of riding on a freeway sans shoulder. There are a few things scarier, like crenshaw in inglewood, or la cienega over the baldwin hills, riding on the 101 further norther is less pleasant, but these pictures illustrate the real and quite unnecessary dangers on this road.</p>
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		<title>By: Alek</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3362</link>
		<author>Alek</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 04:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3362</guid>
		<description>Thanks for such a detailed analysis!
You did bring up great points and have presented valuable photographs.
Being a cyclist myself, may I suggest this to other fellow cyclists: please, please use caution at all times! ALWAYS use a rear-view mirror, this way - when riding your bicycle - you will spot an approaching large vehicle (or a catering truck) well in advance, and you will be able to stop and let it pass by. Also, you have to ride defensively! You (i.e. bicyclists) do not own the road, unfortunately the cars do, and they disrespect us, cyclists. So, that's why a rear-view mirror is essential - as you see in the mirror that a vehicle (especially a large one!) is approaching you rapidly, you've got to pull over, and let it pass! Yes, you may lose some time, but - better to lose a few seconds of our time, than our life! Better safe than sorry.
I had close calls myself, but - let me tell you - being alert, being on the lookout, being PREPARED to pull over at any time really helps, especlally with the presence of a rear-view mirror, really helps.
Good luck to you all!!
And - once again, I'm glad, Wendy, that you were ok and not struck by the catering truck.
Alek</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for such a detailed analysis!<br />
You did bring up great points and have presented valuable photographs.<br />
Being a cyclist myself, may I suggest this to other fellow cyclists: please, please use caution at all times! ALWAYS use a rear-view mirror, this way - when riding your bicycle - you will spot an approaching large vehicle (or a catering truck) well in advance, and you will be able to stop and let it pass by. Also, you have to ride defensively! You (i.e. bicyclists) do not own the road, unfortunately the cars do, and they disrespect us, cyclists. So, that&#8217;s why a rear-view mirror is essential - as you see in the mirror that a vehicle (especially a large one!) is approaching you rapidly, you&#8217;ve got to pull over, and let it pass! Yes, you may lose some time, but - better to lose a few seconds of our time, than our life! Better safe than sorry.<br />
I had close calls myself, but - let me tell you - being alert, being on the lookout, being PREPARED to pull over at any time really helps, especlally with the presence of a rear-view mirror, really helps.<br />
Good luck to you all!!<br />
And - once again, I&#8217;m glad, Wendy, that you were ok and not struck by the catering truck.<br />
Alek</p>
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		<title>By: Insider</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3352</link>
		<author>Insider</author>
		<pubDate>Tue, 27 Sep 2005 00:06:37 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3352</guid>
		<description>Wendy, I'm glad you were okay. I have to admit I was pretty spooked as that  catering truck came up behind you. I didn't even like standing on that stretch by the Balboa Bay Club let alone out in traffic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wendy, I&#8217;m glad you were okay. I have to admit I was pretty spooked as that  catering truck came up behind you. I didn&#8217;t even like standing on that stretch by the Balboa Bay Club let alone out in traffic.</p>
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		<title>By: wendy marin</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3350</link>
		<author>wendy marin</author>
		<pubDate>Mon, 26 Sep 2005 23:10:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you so much for another comprehensive, well-written account of the treachery facing cyclists who ride on PCH.  
I am the cyclist nearly hit by the catering truck in your photo and, yes, I noted how fortunate for me this driver used his brakes.

I ride the stretch of PCH from Temescal to Trancas on a regular basis and am aware of the myriad hazards.  Your photos, however, bring the problem sharply into focus and I'm left wondering how I've managed to escape all those car doors, surfboards, catering trucks and thoughtless parking-spot-obsessed drivers mile after mile, ride after ride.

I hope the momentum created by the recent tragedy will propel the cycling community to demand safety-related improvements on PCH.  We deserve nothing less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you so much for another comprehensive, well-written account of the treachery facing cyclists who ride on PCH.<br />
I am the cyclist nearly hit by the catering truck in your photo and, yes, I noted how fortunate for me this driver used his brakes.</p>
<p>I ride the stretch of PCH from Temescal to Trancas on a regular basis and am aware of the myriad hazards.  Your photos, however, bring the problem sharply into focus and I&#8217;m left wondering how I&#8217;ve managed to escape all those car doors, surfboards, catering trucks and thoughtless parking-spot-obsessed drivers mile after mile, ride after ride.</p>
<p>I hope the momentum created by the recent tragedy will propel the cycling community to demand safety-related improvements on PCH.  We deserve nothing less.</p>
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		<title>By: Hans Laetz</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3329</link>
		<author>Hans Laetz</author>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Sep 2005 23:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-3329</guid>
		<description>Southbound PCH at Kanan-Dume Road: you're not going to like this.

The answer to your question about the steel plate and liquid in the road?

www.malibutimes.com/articles/2005/04/27/news/news6.txt 

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Water seepage onto PCH contains human waste
Wednesday, April 27, 2005

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* The city of Malibu recently conducted tests that show this water on Pacific Coast Highway near Kanan Dume Road is partly composed of human waste. Officials believe the water is seepage from septic pits from a nearby condominium complex. Photo by Hans Laetz / TMT * *

A city study points to nearby condominium complex septic pits as source of a pool of slimy, green water seeping onto Pacific Coast Highway near Kanan Dume Road.

By Hans Laetz/ Special to The Malibu Times

A dirty little secret is percolating up onto Pacific Coast Highway on Point Dume, where thousands of cars splash daily through water that officials say is seeping out from uphill septic pits.

A groundwater study ordered by the city of Malibu shows the liquid splashed on people and cars to be partly composed of human waste, which an engineer says is likely coming from the Malibu Gardens condominiums.

City engineer Craig George told The Malibu Times that the exact level of contamination found during a city-ordered preliminary test is "proprietary information" that cannot be released to the public. But he said the contaminated seepage is not an imminent danger to passersby.

"Of course, all gutter water is to be avoided," George said in an interview. "But as for people getting sick from this, that's not a valid concern."

Every day, people waiting for buses at Pacific Coast Highway and Kanan Dume Road walk through the splashed water and slime caused by the seepage. Hundreds of bicyclists ride through it every weekend, and nearly 40,000 cars per day drive through the intersection splashing the water into the air....

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Southbound PCH at Kanan-Dume Road: you&#8217;re not going to like this.</p>
<p>The answer to your question about the steel plate and liquid in the road?</p>
<p><a href="http://www.malibutimes.com/articles/2005/04/27/news/news6.txt" rel="nofollow">www.malibutimes.com/articles/2005/04/27/news/news6.txt</a> </p>
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<p>Water seepage onto PCH contains human waste<br />
Wednesday, April 27, 2005</p>
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<p>* The city of Malibu recently conducted tests that show this water on Pacific Coast Highway near Kanan Dume Road is partly composed of human waste. Officials believe the water is seepage from septic pits from a nearby condominium complex. Photo by Hans Laetz / TMT * *</p>
<p>A city study points to nearby condominium complex septic pits as source of a pool of slimy, green water seeping onto Pacific Coast Highway near Kanan Dume Road.</p>
<p>By Hans Laetz/ Special to The Malibu Times</p>
<p>A dirty little secret is percolating up onto Pacific Coast Highway on Point Dume, where thousands of cars splash daily through water that officials say is seeping out from uphill septic pits.</p>
<p>A groundwater study ordered by the city of Malibu shows the liquid splashed on people and cars to be partly composed of human waste, which an engineer says is likely coming from the Malibu Gardens condominiums.</p>
<p>City engineer Craig George told The Malibu Times that the exact level of contamination found during a city-ordered preliminary test is &#8220;proprietary information&#8221; that cannot be released to the public. But he said the contaminated seepage is not an imminent danger to passersby.</p>
<p>&#8220;Of course, all gutter water is to be avoided,&#8221; George said in an interview. &#8220;But as for people getting sick from this, that&#8217;s not a valid concern.&#8221;</p>
<p>Every day, people waiting for buses at Pacific Coast Highway and Kanan Dume Road walk through the splashed water and slime caused by the seepage. Hundreds of bicyclists ride through it every weekend, and nearly 40,000 cars per day drive through the intersection splashing the water into the air&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: The Cycling Dude - Do U Bicycle? Cycling commentary, events, links, news, opinion, reviews, stories, travelogue</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-4339</link>
		<author>The Cycling Dude - Do U Bicycle? Cycling commentary, events, links, news, opinion, reviews, stories, travelogue</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;These are just a few of the reasonable actions that the city, state and all responsible parties should take which I believe will be more effective than the recently announced Malibu Sheriff’s policy. READ THE FULL STORY-- Dangerous Cycling: PCH Malibu ( Seeing is believing ).   I Join Independent Sources in stressing that the story of this stretch of PCH serves as a proxy for dangerous riding conditions EVERYWHERE.   Please DO NOT wait for someone to be killed to address unnecessarily dangerous bicycling conditions in your&lt;!--%kramer-post--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->These are just a few of the reasonable actions that the city, state and all responsible parties should take which I believe will be more effective than the recently announced Malibu Sheriff’s policy. READ THE FULL STORY&#8211; Dangerous Cycling: PCH Malibu ( Seeing is believing ).   I Join Independent Sources in stressing that the story of this stretch of PCH serves as a proxy for dangerous riding conditions EVERYWHERE.   Please DO NOT wait for someone to be killed to address unnecessarily dangerous bicycling conditions in your<!--%kramer-post--></p>
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		<title>By: bicycling for ladies</title>
		<link>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-9132</link>
		<author>bicycling for ladies</author>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Dec 1969 16:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid>http://independentsources.com/2005/09/23/malibu-pch/#comment-9132</guid>
		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;Angeles County. We strive to make bicycling safe and enjoyable. For more information or to support bicycle advocacy in Los Angeles County, visit LA County Bike Coalition.  For More Information, visit:  La Grange  Malibu Times  Photos of the PCH siteIndependent Sources&lt;!--%kramer-post%--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->Angeles County. We strive to make bicycling safe and enjoyable. For more information or to support bicycle advocacy in Los Angeles County, visit LA County Bike Coalition.  For More Information, visit:  La Grange  Malibu Times  Photos of the PCH siteIndependent Sources<!--%kramer-post%--></p>
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