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	<title>Comments on: Los Angeles Times Plays Nice With GM After GM Starts Buying Ads Again. Hmmm &#8230;</title>
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	<description>Independent thinking about  California Politics, Hot Bikini Clad Teachers (Erica Chevillar), Topless Teachers (Tamara Hoover), Hot French Newscaster Melissa Theuriau, Katie Rees  &#038; the LA Times</description>
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		<title>By: A Senior Administration Official</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Senior Administration Official</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Aug 2005 01:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>... thought the UN and black helicopter comment would make our intent clear ...

And we couldn&#039;t agree more on GM&#039;s management: see our post &lt;a href=&quot;http://independentsources.com/2005/04/07/gm-throws-a-tantrum/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;Twenty years ago this writer sat in a class of MBA students and listened to Roger Smith — yes, the GM Chairman in Michael Moore’s “Roger and Me” — state that GM quality was as good as any in the world. This was at the same time that many segments of American manufacturing were collapsing in the face of import competition and auto execs were scurrying to Japan to see how much of Toyota’s system they could copy. Smith lost that class of proto-yuppies right then and there. ... it sounds like GM management is still only partially connected to reality.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

and our &lt;a href=&quot;http://independentsources.com/2005/08/03/gm-lets-the-los-angeles-times-out-of-its-time-out/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;most recent post&lt;/a&gt;:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;None of this “let’s agree to disagree” PR-speak obviates the truth of Neil’s April remarks that GM is a “morass of a business case.” GM can cover its ears, shut its eyes, and hum all it wants. But at $36, their current stock price is a little below where it was for much of the 1960’s. In the same period the Dow Jones Industrial Average has grown 16x. That is serious underperformance. And Dan Neil didn’t cause it.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230; thought the UN and black helicopter comment would make our intent clear &#8230;</p>
<p>And we couldn&#8217;t agree more on GM&#8217;s management: see our post <a href="http://independentsources.com/2005/04/07/gm-throws-a-tantrum/" rel="nofollow">here</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Twenty years ago this writer sat in a class of MBA students and listened to Roger Smith — yes, the GM Chairman in Michael Moore’s “Roger and Me” — state that GM quality was as good as any in the world. This was at the same time that many segments of American manufacturing were collapsing in the face of import competition and auto execs were scurrying to Japan to see how much of Toyota’s system they could copy. Smith lost that class of proto-yuppies right then and there. &#8230; it sounds like GM management is still only partially connected to reality.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>and our <a href="http://independentsources.com/2005/08/03/gm-lets-the-los-angeles-times-out-of-its-time-out/" rel="nofollow">most recent post</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;None of this “let’s agree to disagree” PR-speak obviates the truth of Neil’s April remarks that GM is a “morass of a business case.” GM can cover its ears, shut its eyes, and hum all it wants. But at $36, their current stock price is a little below where it was for much of the 1960’s. In the same period the Dow Jones Industrial Average has grown 16x. That is serious underperformance. And Dan Neil didn’t cause it.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: Bob</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 17 Aug 2005 23:52:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well,

You&#039;re about as wrong as you can be because Neil drove that car nearly 2 months ago and told me he liked it. He had no reason to gloss over anything in private e-mail. 

As for the graph you quote, what he&#039;s saying is the car feels solid and well attached to the road. 

As for the rest of what you wrote, do really trust search engines to provide intelligent answers? 

Oh, and if I were GM shareholder, I would want Rick Waggoner fired.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well,</p>
<p>You&#8217;re about as wrong as you can be because Neil drove that car nearly 2 months ago and told me he liked it. He had no reason to gloss over anything in private e-mail. </p>
<p>As for the graph you quote, what he&#8217;s saying is the car feels solid and well attached to the road. </p>
<p>As for the rest of what you wrote, do really trust search engines to provide intelligent answers? </p>
<p>Oh, and if I were GM shareholder, I would want Rick Waggoner fired.</p>
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		<title>By: L.A. Observed: Los Angeles media, news and sense of place</title>
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		<dc:creator>L.A. Observed: Los Angeles media, news and sense of place</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 01 Jan 1970 00:00:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;!--%kramer-pre%--&gt;today on the LA Weekly website that movie studios are close to drastically reducing the full-page ads they buy in the Times and other newspapers. They have the wrong demographics for movie audiences, she writes. On a semi-related note, the blogger at Independent Sources  thinks there&#039;s something fishy about Dan Neil writing a positive column about Chevrolet soon after General Motors drops its ad boycott of the Times. I don&#039;t.&lt;!--%kramer-post--&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><!--%kramer-pre%-->today on the LA Weekly website that movie studios are close to drastically reducing the full-page ads they buy in the Times and other newspapers. They have the wrong demographics for movie audiences, she writes. On a semi-related note, the blogger at Independent Sources  thinks there&#8217;s something fishy about Dan Neil writing a positive column about Chevrolet soon after General Motors drops its ad boycott of the Times. I don&#8217;t.<!--%kramer-post--></p>
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